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<p begin="00:07" end="00:12">My name is Professor Tony Goldstone. I'm a consultant haematologist at University College Hospital.</p>
<p begin="00:12" end="00:17">The specialties I deal in particularly are adult leukaemia and lymphoma.</p>
<p begin="00:17" end="00:22">Lymphoma is not really one individual disease.</p>
<p begin="00:22" end="00:26">The lymphomas are a group of diseases involving the lymph glands.</p>
<p begin="00:26" end="00:33">When these nodes, nodules, go wrong, and grow tumorous</p>
<p begin="00:33" end="00:39">these abnormalities, these malignancies, are called lymphomas.</p>
<p begin="00:39" end="00:44">The lymphomas are divided into two major sub-groups:</p>
<p begin="00:44" end="00:49">One of them is called Hodgkin's lymphoma, used to be known as Hodgkin's disease, but it's the same thing</p>
<p begin="00:49" end="00:57">That's the less common. About two cases out of ten, in adults, are Hodgkin's disease</p>
<p begin="00:57" end="01:04">and the other eight out of ten are a variety of sub-groups known as the non-Hodgkin's lymphomas.</p>
<p begin="01:04" end="01:08">The question then arises, what are the symptoms of lymphomas?</p>
<p begin="01:08" end="01:14">You can have swollen glands, sweating, itching, feeling as though you've got a flu.</p>
<p begin="01:14" end="01:19">Many patients, if they later become anaemic because of a large amount of lymphoma,</p>
<p begin="01:19" end="01:24">are tired, fatigued, and can become short of breath.</p>
<p begin="01:24" end="01:28">When a patient has some of these symptoms</p>
<p begin="01:28" end="01:35">in the vast majority of cases these kinds of things are not due to lymphomas.</p>
<p begin="01:35" end="01:39">When a patient is finally diagnosed with a lymphoma</p>
<p begin="01:39" end="01:44">there are various which things are taken into account, which will determine treatment</p>
<p begin="01:44" end="01:47">They are, firstly, which sub-group of lymphoma</p>
<p begin="01:47" end="01:56">whether the biopsy shows it to be Hodgkin's lymphoma or one of the non-Hodgkin's lymphoma of a specific sub-group.</p>
<p begin="01:56" end="02:00">Then there is a necessity to do what we call 'stage the patient',</p>
<p begin="02:00" end="02:04">which really means how much lymphoma is there in the patient's body?</p>
<p begin="02:04" end="02:12">Is it very localised? Or is it advanced in several other sites? This will also influence the treatment.</p>
<p begin="02:12" end="02:16">Thirdly, the age of the patient influences the treatment</p>
<p begin="02:16" end="02:20">because there are some kinds of treatment you would give to people of 20 years of age</p>
<p begin="02:20" end="02:24">that you would not give to people of 75 years of age.</p>
<p begin="02:24" end="02:27">And fourthly, what we call the 'performance status'.</p>
<p begin="02:27" end="02:32">This means, whatever we would like to do, is the patient in good shape </p> 
<p begin="02:32" end="02:37">to be able to take everything that we think is necessary to cure the disease?</p>
<p begin="02:37" end="02:44">In some lymphomas we don't actually treat immediately because it's of no immediate benefit to the patient.</p>
<p begin="02:44" end="02:49">This is what doctors in the trade call the 'watch and wait' approach.</p>
<p begin="02:49" end="02:59">Other treatment will range between local radiation, when the disease is very limited and can be cured</p>
<p begin="02:59" end="03:03">by one kind of localised treatment of radiotherapy alone,</p>
<p begin="03:03" end="03:11">ranging to chemotherapy, which may be by mouth or combinations by mouth and intravenously.</p>
<p begin="03:11" end="03:19">and sometimes, in later stages when necessary, to some kind of stem cell transplant,</p>
<p begin="03:19" end="03:24">which is a treatment, needed uncommonly for patients with lymphoma.</p>
<p begin="03:25" end="03:30">Hodgkin's disease today, is a very very curable disease.</p>
<p begin="03:30" end="03:37">In Hodgkin's lymphoma in particular, we can be very optimistic. And we expect to cure most of the patients,</p>
<p begin="03:37" end="03:43">and we're trying to give a treatment which is less aggressive than we used to do 10 or 15 years ago.</p>
<p begin="03:43" end="03:46">In the non-Hodgkin's lymphomas,</p>
<p begin="03:46" end="03:50">the outlook in follicular lymphoma is really better now than it's ever been.</p>
<p begin="03:50" end="03:58">And for the most difficult ones, not only are we using the stem cell transplants using the patient's own cells</p>
<p begin="03:58" end="04:02">but we're now using more acceptable forms of donor transplant</p>
<p begin="04:02" end="04:07">for both the high-grade non-Hodgkin's, the aggressive disease,</p>
<p begin="04:07" end="04:11">and the low grade non-Hodgkin's follicular, that doesn't go away.</p>
<p begin="04:11" end="04:17">And we're now finding ways to make that safe, more acceptable to the patient,</p>
<p begin="04:17" end="04:23">and to now actually now cure some of the patients whom we couldn't achieve that for before.</p>
<p begin="04:23" end="04:30">As I look now at what I've seen in the 35 years that I've been involved in this area for the patients</p>
<p begin="04:30" end="04:33">I'm becoming ever more optimistic.</p>
<p begin="04:33" end="04:38">New drugs and new approaches have revolutionised the treatment of these diseases,</p>
<p begin="04:38" end="04:44">probably very significantly improved the outlook in Hodgkin's disease over the last 25 years,</p>
<p begin="04:44" end="04:50">and are, at the present time, doing so in many of the non-Hodgkin's lymphomas.</p>
<p begin="04:50" end="04:55">The rate of improvement, and the rate of availability of new treatments</p>
<p begin="04:55" end="04:58">is really higher in the lymphomas than in any other malignancy,</p>
<p begin="04:58" end="05:04">and for that, both the patients and their physicians are very optimistic.</p>
<p begin="05:05" end="05:13">[New speaker] For information, help or if you just want to chat call the Macmillan Support Line on 0808 808 00 00</p>
<p begin="05:13" end="05:18">or visit www.macmillan.org.uk</p>
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